All right, welcome back to the podcast.

I am joined once again with Jonathan Shedler.

He was on a previous podcast and it is a joy to have him back and I was reading one of

his book chapters called The Personality Syndrome.

It is in a primer on personality disorders, Feinstein, who has been on previous podcast

organized it, wrote some chapters as well.

In this chapter, he talks about different personality types and bases it off of his own

research and his clinical practice and years of reading and supervision and individual

therapy.

You get true expertise when you combine all of those things together.

I want to jump right in and talk about obsessive, compulsive personality disorder, OCPD, but

in this case, you are just calling it obsessive, compulsive personality.

There is a reason for that.

If you want to start there, let's go.

There is a whole tradition that originates in psychoanalytic psychology and it really

goes back more than a century.

Tradition is recognizing that there are certain kinds of personality patterns or configurations

that we see over and over again.

A clinician, a psychotherapist who understands these familiar, recognizable patterns really

has a map of the patient's interior terrain and the terrain that they are going to navigate

in treatment.

The reason my chapter says, for example, obsessive, compulsive personality or narcissistic personality

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