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I'm Joe Ovias inside Eifford Studios, downtown Raleigh, thanks to Empire Properties. And thanks to Copiers Plus for sponsoring Ovias and Joe Plus. Like right out of the gate. I'm already flubbing, flubbing lines. So thanks to Copiers Plus. Check them out online at Copiers.com. Did you think it was minus? No. No, no, no. But you might have a minus in your books. And that big minus might be

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week, Joe, because tomorrow is the OG golf classic. Is that what we're calling it? The OG golf classic. Is that what we're calling it? The inaugural. Very excited about this. I know you're hype about this. I am. Have you ever run a golf tournament before? I have not. What are you learning in the process of running a golf tournament? Every time I see somebody text me who's in the tournament, I'm like, no, please, no, no, because every text has been, hey, man, sorry, I can't make it. Hey, man, I know I paid you. And no one, no one wants their money back, but it's just like, hey, sure, sure. I've only got three or hey, can you help me? And it's like, yes, I can help you. But let me ask you this. Or in the spring when we do another one. Yeah. I'm definitely taking today off before the day before. Let me ask you this. Yeah. Have we gotten so desperate that somebody's going to need me as a fourth? No. So I don't need to bring my clubs tomorrow. Please don't. Okay. I know you don't want me in your group. No. Because I know you want to win. No. Is your friend Paul? Yeah. From over at SAS? Yeah, champion. He was like, yeah, we're, where's obvious? And I'm like, Paul knows better than that.

I was like, Paul, come on.

I've got literally a professional playing with me.

Like, do you think maybe I grip this a little too tight?

I have a guy who's probably going to play in that tournament in three years.

So now I'm breaking, I'm breaking a cardinal rule because for the longest time, I would

always say that sports talk radio audience, they do not give a shit about what golf tournament,

media golf tournament you played in. Totally agree. But I'm bringing this up to highlight

the competitive nature, why this kind of spills over into sports talk radio oftentimes

or podcasts, because y'all are competitive.

I'm competitive in a different sort of way.

You know I'm competitive.

You know this about it.

It just emerges in different ways than say a traditional sports contest, right? Unless it's the beer model. Well, yeah, and I took that one really, really seriously. Yeah. We kicked Jonathan Rand out. But the reason why I bring this up is because you're giving me Jim Rutherford vibes. Yeah. So that's fair. Although Jim Rutherford, real quick context, Jim Rutherford was the general manager of the Carolina Hurricanes for a very, very long time back when the Carolina Hurricanes would do media golf outings so you can get to know the players better. Just so Jim could win. But that's exactly what it was. And I know of people like Adam Gold and others who were kicked off his group because they didn't win. So I bring all this up because I feel like whatever group you have right now, the pressure's on to carry you. Oh, to carry me? I got to carry you. Wow. That's why you brought a professional freaking goal for the SaaS championship media day. I was strobing the ball on Monday. I was awesome. But now I still can't put. I still can't put.

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