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So we have two tremendous guests on tonight besides, of course, my steady co-host.

But we have Jim Clementi, a retired FBI agent, attorney, the head writer for the TV show Criminal Minds.

We also have retired FBI agent Bobby Chaconne and also a writer for criminal minds.

And we're going to talk about, again, the topic we spoke about the other night with Dr. Joni Johnson. And that is

the disturbing psychosexual motive behind the Idaho four killings. And even though all of these

books are coming out now, and of course the one came out first

when the night comes falling by Howard Bloom, which came out very early.

And then now, the Idaho Four, an American tragedy, James Patterson and Vicki Ward that

supposedly did over 300 interviews.

But that doesn't mean that they got the right information from the people they were interviewing.

They didn't go to law enforcement because they couldn't.

Or perhaps because of the gag order, they may have stuck in a few.

But law enforcement had to be very careful about being interviewed because of the gag order, they may have stuck in a few, but law enforcement had to be very careful about

being interviewed because of the gag order. So I think that I would rather see someone like

Jim Clementi, FBI profiler and writer for criminal minds, attorney just just a brilliant guy I would like to see

and hear his take on this because I think that will be more accurate and of course also

retired FBI agent Bobby Chacon and I think it's just going to be an unbelievable show.

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