We're all right, Vanessa. Thank you for joining us. Nice to see you. How are you? You too. I'm very

well. How are you? Yeah, wonderful. Thanks for asking. Maybe you could just start by letting people

know your background. How would you describe what you do? I am a long-form journalist who,

you know, long-form meeting, long magazine articles, who is now a podcaster. So I do like sort of

serial style narrative nonfiction podcasts. Excellent. So there's one of your box blurred lines.

This is quite like an interesting topic. It's a quite an inflammatory one. There's a lot more

of panics surrounding the topics. And then I suppose the easy answer has been for a while on this

sort of thing, you know, the allegation of campus harassment and rapes is just to believe all women

that appear to be the narrative. Right. And of course, you're someone who's very careful to

obviously acknowledge the devastating reality of rape. But you've also put an objective,

investigative mindset to it and you're trying to find out where are some gray areas. And I

just wanted to get your thoughts online in America. For instance, there's often a start thrown

around. I can't quite remember. It might be one in four or one in five people are raped on

US campuses. I think Barack Obama may have even used it at one point. Right. Okay. And it was sort of

deconstructed by a few people to say that the criteria for what's class as a rape on that

polling day to be quite ambiguous. Obviously, you know more about that than me.

Yeah, I think the issue is that it's all about definitions, right? So what I consider to be

raping may not be what you consider to be rape. So a lot of those statistics use the most

sort of narrow definition of rape. So when they ask, you know, primarily women or when

one identified people, you know, have you experienced these things, they come back with a lot of data.

Now, I mean, my book, Bloodlines is about the idea that the new generation, like the millennials

and Gen Z just have a very different concept of what consent is versus our concept.

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