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I'd also like to point out that I think it's important for women and it's something that I've gotten into in the last year.

Self-defense is really important.

Sure.

And I think it elevates who you are within yourself so that you feel more confident. And you're more

situationally aware of what's what your surroundings are. You know, when you, when you go outside to

your car, are you looking around? It doesn't mean you have to live a paranoid life.

Right. Right. It doesn't mean that you have to lead a paranoid life, but it's good to be aware.

And I've been pointing out some situations like you would think this way in this situation.

Here's how I think.

And it goes back to the whole scenario.

Who would you rather confront in the woods by yourself, a bear or a man as a woman?

Most women choose the bear.

Well, unless you had Coburger with you because he had bear spraying as a bear.

He did.

But we're going to talk with Jennifer Coffendaffer about that in just a little bit.

So stick around for that. The woman who

had that happen, who had Coburger tapping on her windows, told police, he also seemed to know

things that he shouldn't. He addressed her by name, though she never told him and wore no

name take. He made comments about her work hours,

suggesting he tracked them. To her, it was clear he was watching her life. The second woman

worked in the criminology department where Coburger was a PhD student. She was an undergraduate.

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