From KCRW Santa Monica and KCRW.com, it's The Treatment.

It's The Treatment.

I'm Elvis Mitchell.

And my guest director and sometimes writer and sometimes actor and sometimes producer, Numa Perrier, is a new film that just won the audience award at the Tribeca Film Festival.

The film is The Perfect Fine.

It has a great title and it's a romantic comedy that in her previous film, Jezebel, which dealt with something a similar subject, which is about the way

women of color deal with commodification and how that sometimes can be marketed.

Numer, first of all, thank you so much for doing the show.

Thank you for having me.

I'm so happy to be here.

But this is something that's been in both these movies, hasn't it?

The way women of color are perceived, how they deal with that

perception, how that perception can be reductive, and that you dealt with it in both sort of

dramatic and comedic terms is pretty interesting stuff. Our careers and how we navigate the

workplace are all themes that are pretty important to me. It's not something that I would have thought

was going to be important to me in my filmmaking,

but those are the things that I'm drawn to really depicting in a raw way,

you know, the real things that we have to go through,

whatever our various ambitions are, what the

workplace looks like for a black woman, no matter what industry we're in.

And how at some point black women are dealt with its objects and how they respond to that.

Yes. I think with Jezebel, we're heads on confronting what sex work looks like in the virtual

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