Hi, I'm Orman Olney.

It's been 75 years since the U.S. destroyed two Japanese cities with just two atom bombs.

75 years since we learned that nuclear weapons give us the power to annihilate all of civilization.

It's not an anniversary we want to celebrate, but it's not one we can afford to forget.

And yet we do, despite the fact that our nuclear policy puts us in greater danger every day,

rather than making us safer. In January, the famous doomsday clock was moved closer to midnight

than it has ever been.

But the New York Times, the newspaper of record, failed to cover the moment.

California's former governor, Jerry Brown, is now with the bulletin of the atomic scientists.

It was not considered news.

It happens every year.

It got a little coverage in the Washington Post, some around the world, but for the most part,

these other issues, important that they may be Me Too, Black Lives Matter, Trump, COVID, those are all important,

but they're not as important as the elimination of the human race, which would happen if there was a false alert as there was when Perry was Secretary of Defense.

Brown is talking about our first guest, William Perry, Secretary of Defense under Bill Clinton and co-author of a new book called The Button,

subtitled the new nuclear arms race in, Subtitled, The New Nuclear Arms Race and Presidential Power

from Truman to Trump.

Mr. Secretary, welcome.

Privileged to have you.

Thank you.

It's good to be here.

You were part of the Army of Occupation right after the bombings.

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