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Visit Gentex.com to check out the latest in digital vision, connected car, and dimmable glass technologies. Hi everybody welcome to shift a podcast about mobility. I'm your host Pete Bigelow.

Hi it's Leslie Allen, Automotive News.

Hey there, it's Alexis St. John, covering tech and suppliers.

Joining us on the podcast today, very excited to have Jennifer Hamendy, who is a member of the National Transportation

Safety Board and as of last week President Biden's nominee to be the board's new chair.

We will have our conversation with Jennifer in just a moment.

First, Leslie and Alexa, you know, I was thinking of the National Transportation

Safety Board is is well known for its aviation investigations historically as kind of the

premier federal agency in charge of crash investigations.

Something that we wrote a bit about in our Shift magazine this week related to the convergence of

automotive and aviation. We also threw in some aerospace for those of you who are

fans of lunar missions and satellites and things like that. But I think it's really

appropriate because there's been so much crossover between the industries. One of the stories,

Pete, that you did that I found quite interesting was the one about the lessons learned from from plane crashes, which could apply to what's happening now with automation in vehicles. I mean sometimes there have been

disasters that have taken place because of distraction or people relying too much on automation.

And I know that's one of the things that Jennifer Homondy has studied and has commented about quite a bit

regarding some of these incidents that have taken place with level two automation systems.

That's exactly right, Leslie.

You know, and that is an issue that the NTSB has studied going back to Eastern Airlines crash in 1972,

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