Multiculturalism is a bad word in many circles in my country because people see it as a revolutionary ultra-leftist sort of thing.

And then I go around saying, sorry, this is the original Christian vision, but it only works if you put Jesus and the Spirit in the middle of it.

If you try to get the fruits without the root, don't be surprised if the fruits turn sour on it.

Hey friends, welcome back to another episode of Thealajara. My guest today is once again, the one and only

N.T. Wright, who has written a recent book called The Vision of Ephesians,

the task of the church and the glory of God.

And what we do in this episode is basically sit down for a little Bible time,

a little Bible time with NT. Right.

We just walked through Ephesians, talk about some of the issues.

And then at the end of the episode, we do have an extra innings conversation about

NT rights thoughts on penal substitutionary atonement. So you're not going to want to miss that.

However, you will need to go to patreon.com forward slash theology to raw and create a free account.

Okay. You don't have to actually become a paid member of Patreon. You can just

create a free account to access the extra innings conversation with NT Wright about penal

substitutionary comments. So without further ado, please welcome back to the show, the one and only

NT. Okay, I'm back here with Tom Wright again, who has written yet another book.

This one is on the book of the Ephesians.

What's the title of your book, Tom, again?

It's called The Vision of Ephesians.

I've got the UK edition here, which just hit my shelf the other day.

I think the American one will look a little different from

that, but that's the same book inside. Awesome. Sweet. Well, you have been studying in Ephesians

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