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Trains now on Uber. T's and C's apply. Check the Uber app. up. Hello I'm Stephen and I'm Helen and welcome to the New States from

podcast and it's a US election special I apologize for those of you who hope that

normal service would be resumed but we think that there are huge implications for the

world to Donald Trump's victory and we're going to discuss them a bit more now.

And now we're joined by Ennis contributing editor Laurie Penny.

Hello.

Hello.

Let's go back to, not the start, but let's go back to the conventions which you covered

for us and for medium.

At that point, how bad did things look?

Well, funny you should ask.

So I remember being in the hall when Donald Trump accepted the nomination for president

and it was like Nuremberg meets the Eurovision Song. It was utterly mad and the people in front of me were saying,

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