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podcast. Stephen you have returned from Birmingham and what was Tory party

conference like? To be honest that the really unnerving weird thing right is

that you kind of you went from one conference

where it's party grassroots feel they've been given their party back, to another place where the

grassroots still they've been given their party back.

Except for reasons of people, you know, don't really need to be.

I found the second one a lot less congenial, right?

And also the other, the second law are in government right and it's

slightly strange because particularly because I mean you have the kind of tourists

who you're like but I thought in the Blair and Brown had just had you like

stuffed and mounted someone.

I thought Cameron had then like thrown these people.

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