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zero carbon generation at edf energy.com slash helping Britain. I'm Helen and I'm Stephen and this is the New States from podcast. First up this

week let us talk about labor and splits. The cover story in the magazine this

week is asking a very simple question should labor split and we've heard from Neil Kinnock Lord

Owen David Owen you've interviewed Bill Rogers another member of the gang of four well actually

let's make me start there Stephen because you put it in the context of the

Limhurst Declaration for those let's just imagine we're not all experts on the Limhese Declaration.

So 35 years ago this week, four former secretaries of state in the Wilson-Callahan labor government issued the Limeshouse Declaration

which they basically went the Labour Party as it currently exists is hated for

the wrecking yard we need a new force for social democratic politics and we're looking to,

we're going to work out how that will happen. And the end result of that was them setting up

the social democratic Party which took about a third

of labor activists, 10% of activists who were from the Tory Party who were disgruntled

by Margaret Thatcher and then the rest were new to politics and 30 who were

disgruntled by Margaret Thatcher and then the rest were new to politics and

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