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Hello, my name's David Rundsenman and this is past-present future, the History of Ideas podcast.

Today it's the second part of my conversation with Robert Saunders.

Last time, we talked about Winston Churchill's 1946 speech, the Iron Curtain speech,

and his understanding of Britain, America and the wider world.

Today, we're looking backwards and forwards from that date across 200 years of the Anglo-American

relationship, the so-called special relationship. What has America been to Britain? An inspiration,

an ally, a rival, A threat? Are they us? Are we them? Or are we and they something completely different?

Robert, in our last episode, we talked about a speech given by Winston Churchill in 1946 that for many people is a sort of embodiment almost of the UK-US relationship, sometimes

in the cliche, called the special relationship. It clearly was a very significant moment in that

relationship and it's come to shape some people's

imagination of what came next. And as we discussed, Churchill had a very particular vision of just how

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