Across the world, forests are in flames, oceans are in flames, and so I'll be.

Microplastics build up in human and non-human bodies, rainwater is full of forever chemicals

and the pervasive impacts of state and catalyst violence are passed down generations as trauma,

dispossession and disease.

In their book, Inflamed, Raj Patel and Rupa Mariya unravel the many injustices that take

root in our own bodies as inflammation and illness, and how colonial medicine is incapable

diagnosing the problem, let alone fixing it.

I'm your host, Eleanor Penny, and for this week's Navara FM, I sat down with Rupa and

Raj to talk to them about inflammation and how we might begin the revolutionary process

of healing.

So Rupa and Raj, thank you so much for joining us, it's absolutely pleasure to be able

to talk about your fascinating work in Flamed.

I'm just wondering before we get into the meat and potatoes of your work about this framework

of the web of life, you talk a lot about the connection and rather the disconnection

that we as a species have experienced in the last of 600 years of cosmological warfare

and ecological warfare that capitalism has waged on us, and the web of life seems to

be an important framework in understanding how that all works.

So I was wondering, Raj, if you could kick us off by explaining what you mean by that.

Often the way that this gets talked about is thinking about the difference between nature

and society in a sort of vein of Marxist analysis called world ecology that my codie,

Jason W. Moore, has done a lot of work on.

The idea here is that historically capitalism has created this bifurcation between what

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