Novara FM: Is It Time For Post-Doom Politics? w/ Jem Bendell
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🗓️ 22 September 2023
⏱️ 77 minutes
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Summary
The politics of ‘deep adaptation’ is as intriguing as it is controversial. Jem Bendell, a former professor of sustainability leadership, launched the Deep Adaptation movement in 2018 by claiming that social collapse is not just a plausible outcome of climate change, but an extremely likely one.
He sat down with Richard Hames in Berlin to talk about the impact of his ideas on the movement, the promise of eco-libertarianism, the necessity of gallows humour in a crisis, and whether there is a climate politics beyond “doomerism”.
Jem’s new book is ‘Breaking Together: A Freedom-Loving Response to Collapse’.
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| 0:00.0 | In official models, there is not one answer to this question, but many. |
| 0:26.0 | Different models tell us what happens at different levels of warming, which range from |
| 0:29.6 | the miles to the catastrophic. Broadly speaking, over the last few years, official predictions |
| 0:35.2 | of a key aspect of these models, called climate sensitivity, have moved decisively away |
| 0:40.6 | from the milder end of the spectrum, but also away from the most extreme upper end, with |
| 0:46.5 | the most likely level of this parameter settling one moderately high. So climate change is likely |
| 0:52.3 | to be bad, perhaps very bad, but it's unlikely to kill, say, everyone. |
| 1:00.2 | But there are other people who argue that these models don't capture the reality of what's |
| 1:04.8 | really going on, which is to say, ongoing and widespread social collapse. |
| 1:11.5 | Among these, perhaps the most well-known is Jen Benton. In 2018, he wrote a paper called |
| 1:17.4 | Deep Adaptation, which was a huge influence among the activists of Extinction Rebellion. |
| 1:23.0 | It's solidified a new approach to the politics of climate change, one defined by attempting |
| 1:27.8 | to work through the intense pessimism of climate change politics and to form a new space |
| 1:33.4 | of political agency. A purpose. |
| 1:36.4 | Bendle is a controversial figure. Scientific critics have accused him of exaggerating the |
| 1:41.2 | likely hield of our collective doom. Political critics have accused him of instilling a depressive |
| 1:46.7 | slump in those who would otherwise become climate activists. It's important to note |
| 1:51.7 | that I'm not a climate scientist, and podcasts aren't good spaces for debating the finer details |
| 1:56.9 | of scientific model. For all their inbuilt small-sea conservatism, official bodies, like |
| 2:02.6 | the IPCC, remain the best sources of information on climate change. But as a thinker of our possible |
| 2:08.7 | political future, figures like Bender open to and engaged by the problems that climate |
| 2:14.4 | change throws up, remain, I think, indispensable to the conversation about our planetary future. |
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