I'm Naomi Klein and I am at Navarro Media right now having just done in a wonderful in-depth interview and this is why I love Navarro Media and I listen regularly and watch to find out what the hell is going on in the UK.

It is so critical to have independent media that we can trust that goes deep on the issues

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It's going to be especially important for your next election.

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Thanks. The error of print is over half a millennium old and if it has an arbitrary

starting point which is of course rarely how innovation works but if it does

well that would have to be the production of the Gutenberg

Bible in the 1450s, printed by Johannes Gutenberg and financed by Johann Fust.

What happened next and why is well documented. Martin Luther, the 95 Theses, the

Reformation, the modern nation state, the rise of the public sphere. All of this was

made possible so the argument goes, because of the printing press.

It was, in short, one of the most disruptive technologies in human history. But what if that period was only temporary? What if the internet is just

as disruptive as the printing press, if not more so? And what might be the kinds of social values

and politics to emerge from that kind of disruption happening once more.

What if the world as we see it, the world created by Gutenberg was merely a

parenthesis in human history.

I discussed all of that with Professor Jeff Jarvis,

whose new book makes precisely that argument.

Jeff Jarvis, welcome to Navarro-FM.

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