Hey, homies, welcome to another episode of Catching Foxes. This is Gomer. We have two ads back-to-back,

one for BetterHelp.com, and the other one for Net Ministries. Great people. Please support them.

Also, someone pointed out that I said, for Angie's Saint Magnets, that I said it's plural,

but it wasn't, it was possessive because there's not multiple

angies.

There can be only one Angie.

Today's episode is a joint episode with my home boy, John DeRosa.

Maybe you heard about four weeks ago when I played a two-year-old episode that we did together

on Atonement Theology.

Well, not only is that one of the most downloaded episodes on his channel, but it was also one of the most downloaded episodes now on Catching Fox's channel.

So it blew up.

So we did a joint show this last week.

It's going to air on his program in a couple weeks.

John is killing it over on the classical theism podcast.

So we recorded an episode on the document, the reciprocity between faith and the sacraments and the

sacramental economy from the International Theological Commission. It opens up making reference to an old

1977 document, but this is a brand new Francis Papacy era document. I interviewed last week for

four hours, a priest of the ordinary to the chair of St. Peter, Father Justin

Fletcher. We talked for four hours in my house. My dog barely barked. It was amazing. My kids were all

hospitable and quiet in bed. So we had a very frank and awesome conversation about what it's like being

a convert to Catholicism, married and a priest.

We talked for four hours about it, so I don't know how I'm going to chop this up,

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