We want to help shift the social change conversation from critics to builders.

We want to shift the metaphor of diversity work in America from melting pot and battleground to potluck.

We want to help facilitate in the next great chapter of American religion.

We think we're done with the chapter, Judeo-Christian. It did good work in its time.

It's time to move into interfaith America.

We want to convince people that you defeat the things you do not love by building the things you do.

That is a profound opportunity to be able to build something better.

It is holy, sacred, and we should take that opportunity and be grateful for it.

It is my pleasure and privilege to welcome to forward the founder and president of Interfaith America,

member of President Obama's inaugural Faith Council and the author of the phenomenal new book.

We need to build, amen to that.

Field notes for diverse democracy. Mr. Ibu Patel, welcome Ibu.

Andrew, I can't tell you how excited I am to be on this podcast. Thank you.

You kidding, man. I'm excited to have you.

You've been building an awesome organization for years and years helping to cultivate religious diversity in America.

Or not cultivated, maybe cultivate acceptance of it.

That's the religious diversity that's happened without you.

But I loved your book in part because you did something that I try to do when I write,

which is tell the truth, including some times that would like the truth is rough.

But how did you, let's give people a brief summary of how you came to this work and what Interfaith America does.

Sure. So I was an activist in college that was in, that was the mid 1990s.

It was another moment of kind of racial reckoning of identity-based politics of social justice work.

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