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The Counsel

Note from Elie 9/22: How Will Pam Bondi React to Trump’s Outrageous Demands of Her?

The Counsel

Vox Media Podcast Network

News, Politics

4.7861 Ratings

🗓️ 22 September 2025

⏱️ 10 minutes

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Summary

Elie Honig is a former Assistant U.S. Attorney and co-chief of the organized crime unit at the Southern District of New York, where he prosecuted more than 100 mobsters, including members of La Cosa Nostra, and the Gambino and Genovese crime families. He went on to serve as Director of the Department of Law and Public Safety at New Jersey Division of Criminal Justice. He is currently Special Counsel at Lowenstein Sandler and a CNN legal analyst.  For a transcript of Elie’s note and the full archive of contributor notes, head to CAFE.com. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

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Leaving all the time in the world for the things you actually want to do responding to James's long emails. Ooh.

0:25.1

Leaving all the time in the world for the things you actually want to do.

0:26.2

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0:31.6

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0:32.4

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0:34.4

How those ahead, stay ahead.

0:42.9

Hey everyone, Ellie here, wishing you a happy, not Friday.

0:46.0

Actually, you'll probably get this Monday late or Tuesday.

0:50.7

Something big happened, which is why I felt like we couldn't wait until Friday.

0:51.7

I had to address it. And I'm talking, of course, about Donald Trump's explicit commands to

0:56.0

the Attorney General, Pam Bondi, to go after his political opponents. You know, I teach this class

1:01.6

at Rutgers University, State University of New Jersey, where I went a long time ago, and I teach

1:06.4

undergrads. And the class is about DOJ and its role in the political process, its role within the executive branch.

1:15.0

And one of the key things we talk about, of course, is DOJ's independence.

1:18.5

And I gave this reading to the class today.

1:21.9

And I went in and I half jokingly just went in and said, well, the whole course is canceled.

1:26.1

I mean, why even bother anymore if we're just openly using DOJ for political ends? Anyway, on with this week's

1:33.9

piece. As always, send any thoughts, questions, comments to letters at cafe.com.

1:49.0

Pam Bondi should have known it would come to this. The president, the man who put her in office as Attorney General and now can remove her, would

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