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Deadline: White House

“Not so radically transparent”

Deadline: White House

Nicolle Wallace, MS NOW

News, Ms Now, The White House, Versant, Daily News, Government, Politics, Washington Dc, Msnbc, Nicolle Wallace

4.56.4K Ratings

🗓️ 17 September 2025

⏱️ 42 minutes

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Summary

Nicolle Wallace on the shocking Senate testimony from ousted CDC director Susan Monarez and the Fed's decision to cut interest rates for the first time in months.

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0:00.0

Hi there, everyone. It's 4 o'clock in New York. Among the most essential responsibilities of any government is the health and well-being of its people. It is why today's hearing in front of the Senate's health committee was so important to all of us,

0:22.4

and yet most of the time so deeply disturbing.

0:25.5

The witnesses, Susan Menaris, she is now the former head of the Center for Disease Control and Prevention,

0:32.1

and Deborah Aury, the agency's former chief medical officer,

0:37.0

who abruptly resigned after Minaris was fired by Donald

0:40.3

Trump a few weeks ago at the behest of Health and Human Services Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr.

0:46.5

In fact, it was that firing that was under the microscope at today's hearing, specifically,

0:52.1

in August 25th meeting between RFK Jr. and Dr. Minaris,

0:57.9

in which Dr. Minaris testified that Kennedy asked she commit in advance to essentially

1:03.8

rubber stamping every recommendation of the CDC's vaccine advisory panel, quote,

1:09.8

regardless of scientific evidence, in addition to firing

1:13.8

certain officials responsible for vaccine policy.

1:17.7

Here's what Kennedy said about that same meeting two weeks ago and how Minaris responded today.

1:24.1

I told her that she had to resign because I asked her, are you a trustworthy person?

1:30.4

And she said no.

1:32.5

So if you had an employee who told you they weren't trustworthy, would you ask them to resign, Senator?

1:41.0

So I'm sorry, but this is not what she has said publicly. She has said she was to

1:47.7

her. So you're saying she's lying. Yes. Regarding trustworthiness, I cannot define that word for Secretary

1:54.8

Kennedy. I made commitments to this committee that I would lead with integrity, transparency,

2:00.5

purpose, and work with Congress

2:02.4

to maximize health outcomes and protect the American people. Secretary Kennedy told me he could not

2:08.5

trust me. I had refused to commit to approving vaccine recommendations without evidence,

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