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Not Even Mad: Jonah Goldberg & Zee Cohen-Sanchez

The Gist

Mike Pesca

News, Politics, Arts, Daily News

4.43.6K Ratings

🗓️ 16 October 2025

⏱️ 69 minutes

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Summary

Hamas hostages, Trump and autocracy, and the strangely quiet shutdown — we tackle all three. Why Trump's blunt style played in the Middle East, whether "competitive authoritarianism" really fits his second-term instincts and enablers, and who's taking the fall for Obamacare-premium brinkmanship. Plus: goat-grinders (pointless rebrands at Max and Apple TV, Crowder's vest-and-glass cosplay, and the humbling age math of Roy Orbison, the Skipper, and the Golden Girls).

Produced by Corey Wara


Production Coordinator Ashley Khan


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Transcript

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0:00.0

It's Thursday, October 16th, 2025 from Peachfish Productions.

0:07.7

It's the gist.

0:08.4

I'm Mike Peska, and it's a not even mad day.

0:10.8

We have Jonah Goldberg.

0:12.0

We have Z. Cohen-Sanchez on.

0:14.7

And they will discuss the three topics I'm going to explain to you.

0:18.6

My choice of topics was a little bit hard this week.

0:21.6

The number one topic, I think on most people's minds, is the Hamas hostage release.

0:26.8

But it's very hard to get the questions you want answered answered. And the questions are,

0:31.4

well, what happens now? And since the future is unknowable, and Hamas is inscrutable.

0:36.0

Maybe they're not. They like to kill enemies,

0:38.5

who they define as everyone but Hamas. Anyway, you're not going to get an answer about the future.

0:43.4

And the other big questions I have is, why exactly did they sign the deal? But the people who

0:49.3

know that are probably holding guns to their enemy's heads in town squares in Gaza as we speak.

0:55.9

All right.

0:56.4

We still will discuss analysis.

0:58.5

Here are the other two big topics.

1:00.1

One is the Trump autocracy.

1:02.4

And maybe in the show, it will help if I do a little more laying of the predicate.

1:07.2

I was reading a blog by Ben Raidersdorf. What's the end game here? And it starts,

1:12.6

most political scientists agree that Trump is attempting to build a competitive authoritarian

1:18.7

dictatorship like Buckele and El Salvador or Ben in Hungary or Erdogan in Turkey. I don't know if

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