Hi, I'm Ben Sass.

And I'm Chris Steyerwalt.

And this is not dead yet.

We're all dying, but only some of us have been brought face to face with that reality.

However long each of us have to do it, though, we all want to live a good life.

One with meaning, love, and joy. And our guests are here to help us do exactly that.

All right. You know, on this episode, we're going to hear from Caitlin Flanagan.

And let me just lodge a complaint here, which is the big

problem. Let's have a fest of us. Let's do a bunch of grievances, because I got some with that

lady, too. The big problem with having a co-host who has cancer is that I can't complain about

anything. No, it's really bumming me out can't complain about anything.

And it's really bumming me out because I thought about it.

I was like, we were getting ready to record today.

I thought, oh, you know, I'm tired and blah, blah, blah.

And I kind of hurt my knee a little bit, blah, blah, blah, blah.

And I was like, yeah, but I can't complain because this is a mainstay of podcasting is just the kvetching and you've taken that from me and

I resent you for it frankly honestly my complaint is that that part of most podcasts bores me so

I thought let's get cancer so that we could skip the complaining and just get right on with the

interesting interviewers right Right over the top.

Okay.

Wait, wait, interviewees.

That's morphine.

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