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Nick, our colleague Anna Foster, is in Ukraine this week.

And when I heard you speaking to her on Tuesday's, today's program, she was there.

You were in the studio here in London.

And it really brought home, partly because she was describing it so well, the realities of the war.

And the fact that no one knows where this is going to win.

There's a huge amount of diplomatic work going on between Washington and Moscow and Kiev,

but essentially we're in an attritional conflict and 20% of Ukraine seems to be Russian occupied,

and no one knows where this is going.

Yeah, sometimes people say, why do programs like the today program need to send presenters out to places where there are correspondents, they say. Yeah, and I think it's for this reason, isn't it? Which is, we've got some brilliant correspondents who can stand in Kiev and tell you what's happening there, and most noticeably James Waterhouse, but often our diplomatic correspondent James Landell is there too.

You've got brave war reporters who go to the front line, but quite often you don't have the space,

the time to reflect on what life is like for ordinary people on the front line in eastern Ukraine.

And I thought to hear Anna visit a school,

underground, simultaneously capturing the horror of kids having to be educated in bunkers with

barely a window, but also capturing that there's joy there, that these are kids having fun.

And as she described it, there was still Easter paintings on the wall.

Add something to honour understanding.

It adds something to coverage.

And the interview she did with the mayor of Kiev, the former boxer, Clitchco, didn't just matter.

It wasn't just interesting.

You know, it moved things.

Yeah, big time. And it also gave us a sense of how, and one of the things that we've discovered

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