Hey folks, Randy Noberg here.

Welcome to Loop Holds, Hanthac Radio.

Hey folks, Randy Noberg here.

I'm recording another episode of Loop Holds, Hanthac Radio.

This is one of the projects that we put together for this spring that is so exciting for me.

This is the first of five episodes that I'm doing with Shane Mahoney.

And Shane's been on the podcast many times in the past.

And Shane and I, over the last couple of years, have had a lot of time to talk

about the spin time at conferences.

Discussing how the North American model is viewed in today's landscape in today's world.

And since Shane and Dr. Filarious Geist were the two people who worked the hardest on this to bring it to something that we now view as a structural

concept, if you want to call it that, I don't know if I'm using the right terms.

But Shane was one of the people who really worked hard towards that.

There's been plenty of people who have, and he mentions many of them in his work.

He's always modest of not wanting to take credit or sometimes maybe it's responsibility.

But if you don't know of Shane, Shane is a renowned speaker, mostly because of his background as a scientist researcher.

And a student and teacher of the history of conservation in North America.

Very, very insightful person on wildlife and other species.

I could go on and on, but most of you know of Shane.

And as he and I got to talking about this, we were always coming back to questions, comments, ideas, some being misconceptions about the North American model of wildlife conservation.

And so I offered to Shane, I said, if you were to put together an outline, how many podcasts do you think it would take to address the top of the world?

And I would address the topics that you think we need to emphasize, knowing that we can't cover all of them.

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