Norris Seider? Showtime (and JVR) Magic, and Cossa Surging - Dec. 7th, 2025
Winged Wheel Podcast - A Detroit Red Wings Podcast
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4.9 • 968 Ratings
🗓️ 8 December 2025
⏱️ 70 minutes
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Summary
Is it time that Moritz Seider got more serious consideration for Norris Trophy votes...or maybe an even bigger trophy?
Tune in as we begin by discussing the Detroit Red Wings and their crazy shootout loss to the Columbus Blue Jackets, including production from Dylan Larkin, Lucas Raymond, Patrick Kane, James van Riesmdyk, Alex DeBrincat, Moritz Seider, and others, a lack of goaltending from both Talbot and Merzlikins, blown leads and more from Todd McLellan's squad (4:00). Next, the Red Wings' bounceback win over the Seattle Kraken, including an all 2003 Draft Class goal from Emmitt Finnie, Nate Danielson, and Axel Sandin-Pellikka, Larkin and Danielson both returning after being hit by pucks, John Gibson hanging on for the win, and Andrew Copp, JVR, and Patrick Kane (in a classic Showtime moment called by Ken Daniels) leading the scoring charge. Also, notes on McLellan's team's offensive metrics, upcoming games, & more (16:00).
We then take a look at Moritz Seider both by the eye test and the numbers this season, whether he deserves serious Norris Trophy consideration behind Cale Makar and alongside players like Morrissey, Werenski, Heiskanen, and others, how he's helped Simon Edvinsson excel, and whether MVP voting is crazy to think about (29:20).
After that, Sebastian Cossa, Michael Brandsegg-Nygard, and the Grand Rapids Griffins' record start in the AHL (as well as Rudy Guimond's QMJHL accolades) (39:30), and NHL news including a Quinn Hughes update, Erik Gustafsson trade rumors and what Steve Yzerman might demand in return, and a potential longshot trade target in Phillip Danault (43:10).
All of that & lots more before we take your questions and comments in our Overtime segment (54:20) - enjoy!
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Transcript
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| 0:00.0 | Welcome to the Wingwheel podcast, the number one source for news, analysis, and discussion on the Detroit Red Wings, the NHL, and all things hockey. |
| 0:19.2 | Here are your hosts, Ryan Hanna, |
| 0:21.5 | Brad Criscoe, |
| 0:22.5 | and Evan Lopsinger. |
| 0:28.9 | Was the Christmas tree here last episode? |
| 0:31.1 | No, it was not here last episode. |
| 0:33.4 | That's what I was going to open with, |
| 0:34.5 | so we're going to use that now. |
| 0:36.3 | That was your gift this year for both of you. |
| 0:38.4 | You got one extra episode without the Christmas tree because my rule is December 1st. |
| 0:43.8 | I really, I think I could have got away with the November 30th episode because that was |
| 0:47.0 | post Thanksgiving and then no one can say it's not time for the holidays anymore. |
| 0:52.1 | So you guys really got two episodes where you didn't have to, you know, |
| 0:56.0 | change the studio and where we're sitting and sit in my merriment and joy. |
| 1:01.4 | Was that extra episode off a gift for us or you knowing now I'm going to start playing with the tree |
| 1:06.7 | through the episode? |
| 1:07.7 | I forgot about that. |
| 1:08.9 | I thought I had a bad fidget habit. You can't be help. Yeah, I have to move away all literal jingle bells away from you. They're near the top of the tree, so you can't, you should have a harder time reaching them. That's true. It's the holidays in studio now as well. As you'll see, Mel has not just put up the tree, but she's adorned some of our studio |
| 1:29.5 | set here with some little Santa hats, some festive decorations. We'll see some things coming |
| 1:33.6 | out. But sorry, guys, I can't hold off any longer. |
| 1:37.1 | That's fair. I'm impressed. You waited as long as you did. |
| 1:41.8 | Although I have seen the rest of your house. I don't think you waited. This was just part of the order of events. The rest of the house is so that this could be a little bit less for you for like, yeah, it's like how a virus spreads. It took a little bit of time to get to this room. Yeah, exactly. And next year it's going to be even worse of an affliction. Anyhow, that's not the only merriment. We get three Red Wings points of a possible four to talk about this episode, which is good. So some Red Wings hockey to talk about, some Grand Rapids Griffin's hockey to talk about, some MoSider praise. There's a lot of good stuff going on. So without further ado, welcome to the |
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