To hear the rest of the conversation, please join us on Patreon at - https://www.patreon.com/thekatiehalpershow Direct link to the Patreon portion of this broadcast's discussion - https://www.patreon.com/posts/norman-barbara-d-80188734 Norman Finkelstein, Barbara Smith and Robin D.G. Kelley debate identity politics. First Barbara and Robin go over the College Board’s revision of its curriculum for its Advanced Placement African American Studies course. These revisions happened just weeks after Florida’s Republican Governor Ron DeSantis threatened to ban the class in Florida schools. Then Norman joins the discussion. Norman G. Finkelstein received his PhD from the Princeton University Politics Department in 1987. He is the author of many books that have been translated into 60 foreign editions, including THE HOLOCAUST INDUSTRY: Reflections on the exploitation of Jewish suffering, and GAZA: An inquest into its martyrdom. In the year 2020, Norman Finkelstein was named the fifth most influential political scientist in the world. Link to purchase Norman's book: https://www.sublationmedia.com/books/i'll-burn-that-bridge-when-i-get-to-it Barbara Smith is an author, activist, and independent scholar who has played a groundbreaking role in opening up a national cultural and political dialogue about the intersections of race, class, sexuality, and gender. She was among the first to define an African American women’s literary tradition and to build Black women’s studies and Black feminism in the United States. She has been politically active in many movements for social justice since the 1960s. She has edited three major collections about Black women: Conditions: Five, The Black Women’s Issue (with Lorraine Bethel, 1979); All the Women Are White, All the Blacks Are Men, But Some of Us Are Brave: Black Women’s Studies (with Gloria T. Hull and Patricia Bell Scott, 1982); and Home Girls: A Black Feminist Anthology, 1983 She was cofounder and publisher until 1995 of Kitchen Table: Women of Color Press, the first U. S. publisher for women of color to reach a wide national audience. She is the 2022-23—Hess Scholar-in-Residence, Brooklyn College. Link to "There's a Lot More That Needs to Be Done" an interview with Barbara Smith: https://www.thedriftmag.com/theres-a-lot-more-that-needs-to-be-done/ Robin D. G. Kelley is the Gary B. Nash Endowed Chair in U.S. History at UCLA. His books include, Thelonious Monk: The Life and Times of an American Original; Hammer and Hoe: Alabama Communists During the Great Depression; Race Rebels: Culture Politics and the Black Working Class; Yo’ Mama’s DisFunktional!: Fighting the Culture Wars in Urban America; Africa Speaks, America Answers: Modern Jazz in Revolutionary Times and Freedom Dreams: The Black Radical Imagination. His essays have appeared in several publications, including The Nation, Monthly Review, New York Times, American Historical Review, American Quarterly, Social Text, Metropolis, Black Music Research Journal, and The Boston Review, for which he also serves as Contributing Editor. ***Please support The Katie Halper Show *** For bonus content, exclusive interviews, to support independent media and to help make this program possible, please join us on Patreon - https://www.patreon.com/thekatiehalpershow Join the Discord: https://discord.gg/tWby973p Follow Katie on Twitter: https://twitter.com/kthalps Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands Privacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy