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Hello, my guys.

We are back on Normally.

Your show with Normalish takes for when the news gets weird.

I am Mary Caffin-Ham.

And I'm Carol Markowitz.

We are going to get into the news getting weird.

We put this topic off.

And I want people to understand we didn't not discuss Epstein because we're on the Epstein list, and we want to hide our involvement or any of the

conspiracy theories around it.

We have not discussed Epstein because the news changes very quickly. And even as we are going to

record right now for tomorrow's release, Donald Trump just five minutes ago posted something on

truth that we're going to get into also. And, you know, it's not that easy to talk about a topic

that is rapidly changing when you record a show, when we're not

live, even when you are live because so much changes so quickly. So we wanted to wait on Epstein

and we feel like we can wait no more. Yep. Here we go. Let's do it. Here are my basic thoughts

on Epstein from the beginning.

Okay.

Is that at the very least, this was investigated from the beginning incompetently and probably corruptly.

Yeah.

Because there were so many important people involved.

He got a sweetheart deal in his first charges. Yep.

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