Hey everybody. It's a tough one today, you know, for a change because there are still thousands

of ICE and Border Patrol agents in Minnesota. A friend of the podcast, Norm Ornstein,

joins us to discuss whether or not they'll be pulling back

some of their forces and whether Homeland Security will adopt new rules engagement in the

state and around the country. Now, Norm and I recorded our conversation on Thursday evening,

so as this drops on Sunday, a few things have changed in terms of the congressional spending

package.

We will have a shutdown, but it seems it will be only for a few days.

And with real reforms, we hope, in ICE and how ICE and CBP operate.

Now, I don't know what impact that will really make on the ground.

I know Minnesotans only hope for the day that ICE is off our streets entirely.

Norm and I, of course, discuss the ongoing tensions between the

armed mass agents who have been terrorizing the state and the tens of thousands of

Minnesotans who are protesting and standing up to them and volunteering to assist immigrant families.

It's remarkable, but traumatizing for everyone.

So before we get to our conversation with Norm,

I want to share a bit with you about my time in Minneapolis this past week.

I have to tell you, Minnesotans have been remarkable during this emotionally rugged period.

The murder of Alex Preddy was horrifying, as were the obscene statements coming from

Noam and Trump and Bovino and Patel and Stephen Miller, blaming Prattie for his own own death and I've continued hearing stories of federal

agents abusing their power unjustly detaining and and manhandling people thousands of vulnerable

families are are not leaving their homes sometimes volunteers pick up kids to take them to school.

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