Noamie Prince is joining the Guala Harahadio Politics podcast and well thank you for being here.

Thank you so much.

You've written a number of bestselling books, the latest being all the president's bankers,

and you are now writing a new book called Artisans of Money.

You have a long CV, and I invite listeners to learn more about you at nomiprins.com, but

early on you worked on Wall Street and for Goldman Sachs.

And I'd like to just start by asking you briefly, what made you do a 180?

What was it that spurred you to put yourself on the right side of history by becoming

a whistleblower and speaking truth to power after working for the big banks?

Oh, thank you.

That's a really good question.

Ultimately, it became an issue of my own moral compass that I think when I first started banking even before I got to Goldman

Sachs just to set out of school I didn't have any idea really what banks did as most of us

who joined the industry didn't especially at the time and through the years I developed a bigger

idea of what banks do and also what banks did change very negatively,

particularly it's the end of when I was there and towards the Goldman years. And I didn't think

there were enough people from the inside who were really explaining what was going on to the outside.

When I quit Goldman in early

2002, it was sort of before there was a lot of focus on negativity of Wall Street relative

to the main economy outside of, you know, academics and economists and so forth. It wasn't

so much a mainstream conversation. And so I thought that I needed to contribute to that conversation and also a lot of things

that I saw weren't particularly savory and increasingly so over the years.

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