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Bulwark Takes

Noem Hearing: She Won’t Say Trump Lied

Bulwark Takes

The Bulwark

Politics, News Commentary, News, Society & Culture

4.71.1K Ratings

🗓️ 14 May 2025

⏱️ 14 minutes

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Summary

At a chaotic DHS hearing, Secretary Kristi Noem refused to admit a Trump-used photo was doctored, exposing how far officials will go to avoid contradicting him. The exchange highlighted the cult-like loyalty around Trump and the erosion of truth in government oversight.

Transcript

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0:00.0

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0:24.6

We are here to talk about Christine Ome, who had a hearing before the members of Congress for

0:30.4

the DHS budget appropriations request, and it went sideways pretty badly on multiple

0:36.5

occasions and provided some interesting insights into how members of the cabinet feel they must tap dance around dear leader Donald Trump.

0:44.1

Before we get into that, subscribe to the feed.

0:47.1

All right, Tim, this is your favorite cabinet secretary.

0:51.6

This is...

0:52.6

Is she my favorite?

0:53.8

I don't know. She's kind of my favorite to discuss. I was

0:56.0

interested when you first send me the links and said she was appearing in front of Congress,

0:59.6

it took me a second because I was trying to decide if that was actually her or there was like

1:02.5

the Hall of President's figure of her. Because sometimes it is hard to tell with the lack of facial

1:09.1

movements, whether it's, whether it's really her. Why do I do this? What was the thing? Every time. Do you remember, you ever been to the Hall of Presidents at Disney World? They still got that? I have been there. I've also been to, you know, whatever Madame Trousseau's waxing. I get the joke. Yeah, I get it. I get it.

1:29.3

Do you have anything else to add?

1:42.0

Well, I thought it was a pretty bad performance. Why don't we go to the clips and we'll take them one of the time? Which one do you want to start with? Swalwell or Gummins? Swalwell, please. Okay, let's do Swallow. set up here, Eric Swalwell,

1:44.3

brandishing a photo of Abrago Garcia

1:45.9

that Donald Trump

1:47.1

insisted Swallow set up here, Eric Swalwell, brandishing a photo of Abrago Garcia that Donald Trump insisted showed a tattooed and was clearly photoshopped and then this transpired. Could you look at the photo, please? It's right in front of you. Are you saying Abrago Garcia is not a wife. No, no, ma'am. He's not a criminal. He's not a human trafficker and he's not a member of MS.

2:02.0

You vouched for Mr. Garcia when your team said, ma'am, you're, you vouched for him when you said he was mistakenly deported. I didn't vouch for him. I did not say that. He should have been deported. Absolutely. It's so telling that you won't look at the photo. And we will not be Was it doctored or not?

2:18.1

In staying here, if you look to your right at the photo. And we will not be bringing. Was it doctored or not? In staying here, if you comes back to your right at the photo in front of you. Madam Secretary, can you look to the right at the photo in front of you? I have seen this photo as you held it behind your heads. Thank you. And the letters MS and the numbers 13 Are those doctored or not?

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