What I've dedicated my life to is revenge.

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They think they're better than us.

Who do you think you are?

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She's punishing me.

You destroyed my family.

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A Woman of Substance on Channel 4 starts tonight at 9.

... A woman of substance on Channel 4 starts tonight at 9.

Welcome to Talking Fed's one-on-one, deep-dive discussions with national figures about the most fascinating and consequential issues defining our culture and shaping our lives. I'm your host, Harry Littman. Really, for several years, I've had a go-to person to really teach me about

the parallels between some of the things that seem both exceptional and exceptionally harrowing happening in the United

States of America. And it turns out there are several parallels, some happy stories, some

not so happy, and the person who knows most about them is with us today, Kim Shepley, who teaches,

she would say at no department in Princeton. I would say

at five different departments at Princeton. She's a lawyer taught at Penn, Stanford Law Schools,

but it's also now here at Princeton, the head of the program in law and normative thinking.

Thanks so much for being with us, Kim. So nice to see you again and to have a chance to talk, Harry.

So where to start?

Look, we have again and again looked to you for grounding things that are happening here

with actual histories elsewhere.

Now, I think, and maybe we'll talk about this a little bit more, but there are ways in which the U.S. is elsewhere. Now, I think, and maybe we'll talk about this a little bit more,

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