Hi, Bill Crystal here. Welcome to Bullwork on Sunday. I'm very pleased to be joined today by David Baer,

a professor of theology and philosophy at Texas Lutheran University. I think it's been there for a quarter century. I think it's amazing. You're so young, but you must be gunned when you were 12 years old. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you must be gun when you were 12 years old or something. And David teaches on many topics of theology and philosophy.

He's written a very good book on just war theory, a topic that's kind of come back

into the news recently with the Pope and the Trump administration and so forth.

But for us, has written, for the bulwark, has written many times on Hungary, where you've

visited and lived and know the language and spent the election season there

the last, you know, about a month ago.

And David, you were, was ahead of the curve

and seeing that Orban might lose

and noticing how interesting alternative Magyar,

Peter Magyar presented.

So I thought we'd talk about the meaning of everything

that happened three weeks ago. I guess it's three weeks ago today, right, in Hungary. And maybe

begin, though, with an update of sort of where we are now, since, like most Americans, I've

kind of lost track of things after those first few days of excitement and so forth. But also,

I just want to recommend David had an excellent article this week,

I think Thursday, at the bulwark,

how Peter Magyar toppled Victor Orban's illiberal regime by reviving Hungary's liberal

traditions.

And people should go look at that.

I think we'll put it in the show notes.

Anyway, David, thank you for joining me today.

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