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The Red Nation Podcast

No war, no NATO in Ukraine w/ Onyesonwu Chatoyer and Austin Gonzalez

The Red Nation Podcast

The Red Nation

Society & Culture, History

4.8943 Ratings

🗓️ 7 March 2022

⏱️ 71 minutes

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TRN Podcast hosts Nick Estes and Jen Marley are joined by Onyesonwu Chatoyer from Hood Communist and the All African Peoples Revolutionary Party and Austin Gonzalez from the DSA’s International Committee to discuss the Ukraine war.
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0:00.0

And I'm going to Hello everyone this is Nick Estes host of the Red Nation podcast I am joined by an esteemed

0:37.4

panel of people that I highly respect and always look to for guidance. Of course my co-host Jen Marley is here. We also have joining with us on

0:49.7

you San Wu from the AAPRP, as well as Asin Gonzalez from the DSA International Committee.

0:58.0

And I'll let each of you introduce yourselves.

1:01.3

But we convene this special episode of the Red Nation podcast to discuss the

1:06.8

crisis in Ukraine and the Russian invasion of Ukraine and what are principled anti-imperialists, anti-colonial, and anti-capitalist

1:16.6

responses to this current crisis?

1:19.6

Because as we know, at the time we're recording, you have the president of Ukraine, President

1:26.1

Zelensky, who's appealing to NATO, the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, to essentially

1:31.5

set up a no-fly zone over Ukraine which would amount to an act of war.

1:37.0

And Biden's State Department has admitted as much that that would be an act of war,

1:42.0

but there's so much jingoism going on in the US media right now.

1:46.1

It's hard for many people who don't have expertise in the Ukrainian conflict to really parse out what is being said,

1:55.0

you know, especially that phrase no-fly zone,

1:58.3

there was a Reuters report or poll

2:01.0

that came out yesterday, which was very misleading and very unethical, the way that they had

2:06.7

phrased their questions in that report.

2:09.0

And I believe it was like somewhere between like 70 to 80% of 800 respondents, 800 some respondents said that they

2:16.9

supported a no-fly zone, not knowing that a no-fly zone would actually

2:21.5

put NATO and potentially US warplanes in direct conflict and engagement

2:27.5

with another nuclear power, i.e. Russia.

2:32.8

So this is a very scary time,

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