I'm Jonathan Kapart. Welcome to K-Up. Holly Harris is the president of Justice Action Network.

Topeka Sam is co- of Justice Action Network.

Topeka Sam is co-founder of New Yorkers United for Justice.

Under normal times, they are among the activists at the forefront of criminal justice

reform.

But with the coronavirus stalking the world,

Harris and Sam are pleading with President Trump and governors across the country

to release certain prisoners to home confinement. That's because jails and prisons are

petri dishes for illness and disease. When I was incarcerated, there's no way not to

avoid another person. When you're in a cell, you are there with someone and if they're sick, you're going to get sick too.

That was Topeka Sam.

Listen to her and Holly Harris explain why the incarcerated should demand more attention than they're getting right now.

Holly Harris and Topeka Sam, thank you very much for being on the podcast.

Thank you so for having us.

So we're in this brand new world of distance everything,

social distancing and distance interviewing, so I really appreciate you. thing,

uh,

so I really appreciate your coming on the podcast via Skype

and your patience with all the,

the technical glitches that might happen.

But you're both advocates for the technical glitches that might happen.

But you're both advocates for criminal justice reform.

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