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“No MAGA Left Behind”?! Trump’s Pardons Are a Corrupt Free-For-All

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The Bulwark

News, Politics, Society & Culture, News Commentary

4.71.2K Ratings

🗓️ 27 May 2025

⏱️ 16 minutes

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Summary

Sam Stein and Bill Kristol discuss Trump’s increasingly corrupt use of the pardon power, rewarding MAGA allies and big donors, while weaponizing government authority, from ousting DOJ lawyer Liz Oyer for refusing to restore Mel Gibson’s gun rights to withholding $100M in federal funding from Harvard.

Watch Sam's conversation with Liz Oyer

Read "Another Indefensible Trump Pardon"

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0:00.0

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0:41.4

It's great, thanks for having. We're going to be talking about Trump's parting, which was the subject of today's morning

0:43.2

shots.

0:46.3

And then after that came out, an even arguably more grotesque pardon story was published by the New York

0:46.6

Times.

0:52.5

We're going to be talking about that too.

0:52.7

All right, Bill, just walk through this morning's morning shots and why you decided to focus on

0:53.6

the story, the sort of larger picture element of it. You know, so I saw this news yesterday that

0:58.8

Trump had pardoned a sheriff, former sheriff in Culpeper, Virginia, about 40, 50 miles maybe

1:03.6

south of here. Basically, he had sold these auxiliary sheriff jobs, which are not real jobs, for $15,000 bucks each, so people could get a nice sheriff medallions. I guess they're useful also for, you know, if you have speeding tickets and maybe some other things. He'd gotten $75,000 in cash. There's video of him with a, it was a shut

1:09.9

and it was an open and shut case. The federal voter justice public integrity division prosecuted

1:29.3

it. He was convicted by a jury of his peers in Culpepper in December, sentenced to 10 years,

1:34.9

jail in March. Turns out he was also a big MAGA sheriff, you know, very anti-immigration, super pro-gun

1:39.9

rights, pro-Trump, very outspoken, been on Fox News a bunch of times. And so yesterday,

1:48.0

Trump pardoned him at the recommendation of his new pardoned attorney in the Department of Justice,

1:54.2

our friend Ed Martin, who we covered quite a lot when he didn't make it as DC, the US, pardon attorney in the Department of Justice, our friend Ed Martin, who we covered

1:59.3

quite a lot when he didn't make it as DC, the US attorney for the District of Columbia,

2:01.3

but he is now at a senior position in the Justice Department, and they used to proudly tweeted

2:05.6

that, or X or whatever, that this was his, he had recommended this pardon, and the president

2:10.5

had accepted the recommendation. And so, so that's, he doesn't deserve a pardon. You know, he overruled. Clearly not. Yeah. But Ed said, no MAGA left behind when he did it. And I think that was the sort of crux of the newsletter, which is, you know, we're sort of used to pardon power being abused. Everyone, every president recently has abused it to a certain degree. Right. But we've never really seen it politicized like this. And it's not just the sheriff Scott Jenkins. It's obviously the January 6 cases. You know, Devin Archer, the pardon attorney who preceded Ed Martin, who we talked to, had to resign because they wanted to give Mel Gibson his guns back. I mean, there's just a whole litany of case and I'll get to the one in the New York Times story. But the point of the warning shots was, you know, what's the actual end result here? If you take it to the degree that they're taking it. Yeah. So, I mean, right, I think the further going forward point, so the going, looking at it point is amazing degree of politicization and also potential corruption, obviously.

2:15.7

And we saw some of that in the first term with the pardons of Roger Stone and Michael Flynn and others, but now it's on steroids.

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