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The Briefing with Jen Psaki

NO KING: Trump blows up his own case for tariff power with scattershot excuses

The Briefing with Jen Psaki

NBC News

News, Politics

4.5664 Ratings

🗓️ 1 August 2025

⏱️ 41 minutes

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Summary

Despite Donald Trump's claim of king-like powers to apply trade tariffs by his own whims, a lawsuit being heard in federal appeals court argues that he is asserting a power no president has, and his claims of emergency powers are contradicted by his myriad non-emergency excuses. Neal Katyal, who argued the case against Trump in court today, talks with Jen Psaki.

Transcript

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0:00.0

I need to start tonight with a bit of an update.

0:01.8

An update on something I said on this show about Donald Trump.

0:06.4

Now, a couple of weeks ago, I opened this show by playing the clip of this completely bizarre moment

0:12.3

when Trump said that his late uncle knew the notorious domestic terrorist Ted Kaczynski,

0:17.6

better known as the Unabomber.

0:20.6

My uncle was at MIT, one of the great professors, 51 years, whatever, who was the longest-serving

0:26.7

professor in the history of MIT. Kaczynski was one of his students. Do you know who Kaczynski was?

0:32.5

There's very little difference between a madman and a genius. But Kaczynski, I said, what kind of a student was

0:38.6

the uncle John, Dr. John Trump? He said, what kind of a student? And then he said,

0:43.9

seriously good. He said he'd correct, he'd go around correcting everybody, but it didn't

0:49.1

work out too well for him. I mean, that clip does not get any less bizarre, and I just love watching the face of the

0:56.7

man next to Trump that's in the shot. But that aside, Trump said that his uncle taught the

1:01.5

Unabomber at MIT, and that Trump and his uncle had talked about what a good student the Unabomber

1:06.0

had been. Now, at the time, I pointed out that this story was basically impossible. I mean, for one thing, there

1:11.6

was no record that the Unabomber attended MIT, and Trump's uncle, who was a professor at

1:16.6

MIT, died in 1985, more than a decade before the Unabomber's identity even became public. None

1:23.7

of it made any sense. And I said at the time that all this seemed like just another example of Trump losing it.

1:31.1

And believe me, you all know, there are plenty of other examples of that nearly every day.

1:36.8

But it turns out there might be kind of a reasonable explanation for this one.

1:41.9

Because Donald Trump really did have a close personal relation

1:45.1

who reportedly claimed to have known the Unabomber

1:47.5

back in his college days.

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