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in all bookshops and online right now. Welcome to Beg to Beg to Differ. The Bullworks weekly roundtable discussion featuring civil conversation across the political spectrum.

We range from center left to center right. I'm Mona Charen, syndicated columnist and policy editor at the Bullwork, and I'm joined by one of our regulars

Damon Linker who writes the sub-stack newsletter notes from the middle ground. Ben Wittis, a senior

fellow at the Brookings Institution and Editor-in-chief of Law Fair, is sitting in for Bill

Galston today, and Amy Stoddard, now of the Bullwork, is sitting in for Linda Chavez.

Our special guest this week is Francis Fukuyama.

He is the Olivier Nomalini, Senior Fellow

at Stanford University's Freeman's Spoggley

Institute for International Studies, and he is the author of many

sprawling scholarly yet general interest books that have affected the way all of us see the world.

And we are delighted to have you all.

Thank you one and all.

And I invited you here, Frank, to talk about your interesting article entitled,

In Defense of the Deep State that you published in Asia Pacific Journal of Public

Administration.

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