No Honor Among Snakes (OOTP Chapter 32, 'Out of the Fire')

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🗓️ 15 July 2025

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Help MuggleCast grow! Become a MuggleCast Member and get great benefits like Bonus MuggleCast! Patreon.com/MuggleCast Grab official merch! MuggleCastMerch.com Pick up overstock merch from years past, including our 19th Anniversary Shirt! MuggleMillennial.Etsy.com On this week’s episode, we discuss the events of Chapter 32 of Order of the Phoenix, "Out of the Fire." Join Andrew, Eric, Micah, and Pam as they cover the second attempted break-in to Professor Umbridge's office, and the fallout. Chapter-by-Chapter continues with Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix, Chapter 32: Out of the Fire Our Time Turner segment takes us back to Episode 470 of MuggleCast, titled “Silky Smooth Snape.” Should Harry have known that his vision was a ruse? The hosts go all-in on listing several signs, and whether they alone reveal the truth. Micah connects the threads between Sirius and Harry in books 3 and 5. What is Hermione getting at by mentioning Harry's 'saving people thing'? Often times, Harry has legitimately been left to fix the Hogwarts problem and save people. Can we blame him? We discuss the power lust present in both Umbridge and Draco, and how they need each other at this time. Umbridge's treatment of Snape is interesting, since she does trust he's as horrible as she is. What Hermione does works perfectly on Umbridge. Why? Why aren't the two other heads of House, Flitwick and Sprout, also members of the Order? Is Dumbledore skeptical of their loyalty, or is he just giving them a break?? The hosts have differing ideas about what being a 'bad mofo' means, when rating who the baddest was in this chapter. Our Lynx Line patrons answer the question, when was a time that you successfully thought on your feet the way Hermione does with Umbridge? Quizzitch: In this chapter Umbridge placed Stealth Sensor Spells around her office door. Founded by Edward Calahan over 150 years ago, the company which currently holds at least 15% of the market share for home security systems, is called ADT. What does ADT stand for? Join in on the fun! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0	Welcome to Mugglecast, your weekly ride into the world of Harry Potter. I'm Andrew. Hi, Eric. I'm Micah.
0:06.2	We are your Harry Potter friends talking about the books, the movies, and the upcoming TV show.
0:11.0	So make sure you press that follow button in your favorite podcast app, and that way you'll never miss a week with your Potter people.
0:18.8	And this week, we really want to ask Creature what happened to his hands because we're
0:24.1	discussing Order of the Phoenix Chapter 32 out of the fire.
0:28.4	And joining us for this week's episode is Friend of the Show and fellow podcaster.
0:33.6	Pam, welcome back, Pam.
0:35.5	Hey, everyone.
0:36.4	It's nice to be back.
0:37.7	It's always nice having you on. Thank you for filling in. It's nice to be back. It's always nice having you on. Thank you for filling in.
0:41.4	Yeah.
0:41.7	I'm always down to try and fill the very big shoes that Laura leaves behind whenever she's off.
0:47.1	The Laura's seat.
0:48.2	Well, we appreciate that you're willing to step in when Laura can't make it.
0:52.4	It's a big responsibility, man.
0:56.1	You have to be all voicey and reasoning. It's garbage. Yeah, I got to keep you boys in check. Mainly Micah. He's
1:03.6	the troublemaker. Yeah. But this week, Micah's going to stay in check because he's coming to
1:08.7	visit me tomorrow so he knows that he's going to be in trouble with me. So he knows you're going to put him on a timeout if he doesn't behave. Yeah. Yeah. If he wants a free ride from from dinner back to his hotel tomorrow night, he has to be good. I was going to say, embarrass me in front of my colleagues or something along those lines. Oh, I can do that too. It's Vegas. I can make a fool of myself on the
1:27.7	strip. Sure. That sounds pretty easy to do. Don't you want access to the pool or something like that?
1:32.3	I do, yeah. So we both have an interest in being good to each other today. That's so funny. Devious.
1:39.2	Very devious. Pam is also a co-host of Millennial and What the Hipe, which we plug at the end of every
1:44.8	Mugglecast episode. So make sure to check those out. I thought also we would be remiss if we
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