Hey, everybody. This is Heidi St. John. Welcome to the Heidi St. John podcast. I'm glad you guys are here because you are in for a treat today. My friend Jim Ramos, who is the founder of Men in the Arena and a bestselling author, is joining me in studio today. And we are going to dish about marriage. Jim has a brand new book I'll call Guard Rails, 10 Boundaries for an Unbreakable Marriage,

which he wrote with his wife, Shanna. I love Jim and his passion for helping men become the people

that God has created them to be. You're going to love this guy as much as I do. And if you have

needed some encouragement for your marriage, this is the episode for you.

I think you're going to love it. This is the Heidi St. John podcast. Stick around. I think you're

going to be encouraged. All right.

I'm going to jump right into this Jim Ramos.

My goodness.

Welcome back to the studio.

It's been a while.

It's been a minute.

It's been about two years.

That is nuts.

It's always great to be here.

And a lot of water under the bridge in both our lives. A lot of stuff going on. So it's just an honor. Thanks for having me on the show.

I'm glad you're here. On my way into the studio today, I was listening to an old Amy Grant album called

How Mercy Looks from here. And she has a song that she sings with Vince Gill called us Better Not to Know.

And before she sings the song, she gives kind of a, it's the album that gives sort of a commentary that she gives commentary to her songs and explains how she wrote them.

And she was saying that, you know, it took her back to when she was very young, married, in her early 20s.

And she and her husband buy this farm.

And they plant these trees.

And she said, I bought them and they came in the mail, like 75 fruit trees or something.

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