Welcome to the commentary magazine podcast today is Thursday October 24th,

2019 I am John Puthhor, it's the editor of commentary with me as always senior editor,

A Greenwald, hello A Greenwald. Hi John and senior, excuse me associate editor Noah

Rothman, hi Noah. He's got a promotion, hi John. You did, well you're senior and all

your senior to your two children, yes. And and an actual mother senior, senior writer,

Christine Rosen, and Washington, hi Christine. Hi John. All right so this podcast is

beginning to resemble the Jean Paul Sartre play no exit in which even though we're not really

all in the same room in which basically people just sit in the same room realize that they're

going to be trapped together forever talking about the same thing forever. So here we are trapped

in the same room sort of virtually talking about the same thing and we're going to keep

talking about it it seems like forever. I'm going to pitch this since you know since the

last podcast two days ago we of course have had the incendiary testimony of Ambassador acting

Ambassador Taylor in the Ukraine saying that he was specifically told by Trump intimate Gordon

Sonland that military aid was being held up until Ukraine agreed to make a public announcement

that it was investigating a hunter Biden. This from the outset of the the raising of the

Ukraine controversy by the famous whistleblower statement. Everybody including people on the right

who are Trump supporters said if it turned out that this quid pro quo was demonstrated that that

would be really bad. Well Taylor has absolutely no reason to have made this up although Republicans

in the room say that he he crumbled under their testimony whatever that means we only know

but his opening statement we don't know what happened during his testimony but assuming that what

he was doing was simply relaying the truth of his conversation with Sonland we now have just

incontrovertible evidence that Trump was interfering with set none of the U.S. policy but

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