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On the Media

No, DOGE Isn't Dead

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🗓️ 3 December 2025

⏱️ 17 minutes

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One source said DOGE operatives had “burrowed into the agencies like ticks.”

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0:00.0

This is the On the Media Midweek podcast. I'm for Gladstone. Late last month, Reuters reported that Doge had disbanded that the group was no longer a centralized government entity.

0:20.5

Doge is dead. Elon Musk's Doge no longer a centralized government entity. Doge is dead?

0:21.8

Elon Musk's Doge no longer exists.

0:24.5

For all intents and purposes, Doge is done.

0:27.1

But according to Victoria Elliott, a reporter at Wired,

0:31.0

while Doge is no longer moving across the government

0:34.2

in a, quote, move fast and break things blitz, it is far from dead and gone.

0:40.3

One government source told wired that Doge operatives had, quote, burrowed into the agency like ticks.

0:48.1

Yes, many of the people who were a part of Doge in some shape or form in those early days when it was this sort of

0:55.4

strike force going from agency to agency, cutting contracts, firing people, vacuuming up data,

1:01.5

those people are still in government. That includes the young engineers that we identified

1:06.1

very early on in the administration, but also some of the more senior people. And for instance,

1:11.6

Joe Gebia, the founder of Airbnb, he's now leading what's known as the National Design Service.

1:18.0

And the mission of NDS is supposedly to redesign government websites. We are starting to see

1:22.8

some of their work get out there. You have Sam Corkos, who is now one of the highest people at Treasury,

1:30.3

in charge of pretty much all of its tech. And then secondarily, we need to think of Doge as a set

1:37.9

of priorities and values, this emphasis on technology of rapid adoption, consolidating data across government

1:46.6

agencies, and the emphasis on cutting what frequently the government has called waste and

1:53.7

fraud and abuse, but often really is just quite essential government jobs and contracts.

1:59.7

That is all still happening.

2:02.4

How about the Doge impact on the Office of Management and Budget?

2:08.8

Doge is not necessarily separate from the goals of the Trump administration.

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