No deal: will it happen?

Beyond Today

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🗓️ 8 August 2019

⏱️ 21 minutes

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“There is no plan for no deal because we are going to get a great deal.” That’s what Boris Johnson, then Foreign Secretary, said in July 2017. A no-deal Brexit was once a fringe idea, but it’s now what Johnson’s government is working towards to fulfil his pledge to leave the EU by the end of October. So has no deal become inevitable? Daniel Kraemer has been working on this for the last four months in the BBC’s Westminster newsroom. He tells us how Brexit has come down to a political showdown between two middle aged Conservative politicians called Dominic – one working towards no deal and the other trying to stop it. We also hear about the emotional appeal of no deal from Fintan O’Toole, the Irish journalist and author of ‘Heroic Failure: Brexit and the Politics of Pain’. Producer: Duncan Barber. Mixed by Nicolas Raufast. Editor: John Shields.

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0:00.0	BBC Sounds, music radio podcasts.
0:06.6	Hello, I'm Matthew Price. This is Beyond Today from BBC Radio 4.
0:11.2	Every day we ask one big question about one big story.
0:14.3	Today no deal.
0:21.1	Today no deal. Will it happen?
0:26.0	So I've been.
0:27.0	So I've been getting a bit fed up in the office over the last few months because generally
0:37.9	this is how it goes. I walk in and I say, guys we've got to do Brexit.
0:43.8	And everybody looks at me and groans and says,
0:46.3	how do we cover it?
0:47.4	How do we tell the story of a process that's actually pretty dull?
0:50.9	And that's pretty much where we were until this week when the whole story of Brexit
0:57.5	began to focus on two middle-aged men, both called Dominic, both working for the Conservatives, both powerful, but they couldn't
1:07.2	be more different.
1:08.4	The reason the story focused on them is because they are now both probably the central characters that explain the drama that is playing out right now here in our country, and we thought that we could maybe use them then to work out what's going on.
1:26.6	Because they represent the two different options really and one of those options is the one that nobody honestly thought at the beginning of this whole process could ever would ever really happen.
1:39.0	If you heard yesterday's episode you'll have got an idea of really how complicated it is to leave the
1:46.1	European Union system. For the last three years the government's tried to get a deal
1:50.4	sorted out to smooth the whole process. Well the current government is now
1:55.8	preparing to leave without any deal at all and it's the first of the two Dominics
2:01.4	who's pushing for that. So we turned to a guy that we often
2:06.6	speak to when we got a big political story on our hands, Daniel Kramer, who works in the BBC's
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