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Let's Talk About Myths, Baby! | Greek Mythology & the Ancient Mediterranean

No Boys Allowed! Celebrating Demeter & Persephone, Aristophanes’ Women of the Thesmophoria (Part 1)

Let's Talk About Myths, Baby! | Greek Mythology & the Ancient Mediterranean

Liv Albert

History, Comedy, Arts

4.85.5K Ratings

🗓️ 28 February 2023

⏱️ 42 minutes

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Summary

It's time for a bit of comedic relief (and Euripidean slander)... We're diving in to Aristophanes' play the Thesmophoriazae/the Women at the Thesmophoria. It's got women (kind of!)! It's got a women's only festival! It's got Euripides! This one has it all. Help keep LTAMB going by subscribing to Liv's Patreon for bonus content!

CW/TW: far too many Greek myths involve assault. Given it's fiction, and typically involves gods and/or monsters, I'm not as deferential as I would be were I referencing the real thing.

Sources: Aristophanes' Thesmophoriasuzae/Women at the Thesmophoria, translations by Stephen Halliwell and George Theodoridis; The Thesmophoria entry from the Hellenic Museum; Aristophanes by James Robson; Aristophanes by Carlo Ferdinando Russo; Goddesses, Whores, Wives, and Slaves: Women in Classical Antiquity by Sarah B. Pomeroy.

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1:24.0

Oh hi, hello and welcome to the official Euripides fan club.

1:38.0

Better known as Let's Talk About Miss Baby.

1:41.0

I am your host, Liv, she who, well, loves Euripides.

1:47.0

Now you might be thinking, but Liv isn't this episode covering a play by Aristophanes?

1:53.0

And yes, you would be right, this is indeed an episode dedicated to introducing the Aristophanes play called either The Thesmaphoria Zoo-Sai

2:02.0

or the more anglicized title of The Women at The Thesmaphoria or The Women at The Festival.

2:08.0

It's just that while this play features what is basically just Euripides slander, and you know I will not be putting up with that.

2:16.0

So this is a play I've heard about in various levels of detail for all the years that I've been doing this podcast,

2:21.0

specifically since I've come to obsess over Euripides.

2:24.0

The thing I've often heard and what makes me both intrigued and annoyed by this play without even having read it is that the basis for some people's views on Euripides

2:34.0

and his feelings towards women specifically, the treatment of women, this play influences that in a really bizarre way.

2:44.0

If someone theorizes of all the playwrights that it's perhaps Euripides who best aligns with modern ideas of feminism in whatever way that he can,

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