The Menendez brothers. We are talking about Pamela Smart, Andrea Yates. I think that is kind of one of the first things that started my true crime obsession. We're definitely going to be diving into the legal and psychological parts of this case. First of all, you shouldn't be friends with people that ask you to cut up somebody's body. And on the flip side, you shouldn't be friends with somebody who is willing to cut up somebody's body and on the flip side you

shouldn't be friends with somebody who is willing to cut up somebody's body. If she is abusing

drugs at nine and twelve years old it would make sense that there was some significant abuse

going on in the house. That's not normal. Never trust the mother or the lover. Who is a self-professed drug dealer in

court? That's why we always say get a lawyer because you just fed them this information that they

didn't have and they're now using it against you. Hi everybody. My name's Mary and I'm Deirdre.

And we're from Not Your Normal Murder Podcast.

With my experience in psychiatry and my experience in criminal justice, we bring a fresh perspective on small town cases and those cases you can't forget.

If you love true crime, a little bit of sarcastic manner, but lots of objective research,

come find us on Apple Podcasts or wherever you listen to podcasts.

You know, it's the best part of Hump Day.

There's a new episode every Wednesday.

See you there.

True Consequences is a proud member of the Borrelis Podcasters Guild.

The Orp. podcasters' guilt. Look deeper.

True Consequences is a true crime and mystery podcast,

with stories based in New Mexico and the American Desert Southwest.

I'm your host, Eric Carter von Dien.

Hi, and welcome back to True Consequences.

I'm your host, Eric Carter-Londine, and today I'm joined by a very special guest by the name of Joelle Leah.

Joelle, welcome.

Thank you, Eric.

...