So we have to ask ourselves the question, especially as of late.

Yes.

Do we think that Nintendo is coasting on the nostalgia?

It's an interesting question because they certainly have the most nostalgia available to them.

Pretty much everybody in gaming.

But at the same time, when we worked there, there were so many examples of them not just telling us, but showing us.

It's like, we do not want to be a nostalgia company.

The minute you start to coast on your nostalgia, it's kind of over for you in terms of a forward-looking thing.

It's like you are stuck in that era with that stuff and that's

how people will always know you. And again, they have so many opportunities with it, but

they're very hesitant to dip into it. Although these days, it does feel like they're dipping

into it a little bit more than they have in the past, which I think is worth discussing.

Yeah, because when we were at Nintendo, there was always the sense of, like, we are a forward-looking

innovative was a word that came up all the time in terms of how they would describe themselves.

And especially in the Mr. Awada era, I think he was very anti-Nostalgia where he was always like,

you know, you can never rest on your laurels. That's kind of what his view of, you know,

sort of resting on nostalgia is your kind of reliant on it, like a crutch, versus thinking

of new, big ideas to propel you to the future.

And there's so many examples that we've told, you know, stories of before

of how the company is just so reluctant to celebrate their past,

even though, like you were saying,

out of all the video game companies,

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