Oh, yay. Oh, yay. Oh, yay. Oh, yeah. The judicial power of the United States shall be vested in one Supreme Court.

Unless there is any more question to be able to find an argument in this case.

All persons having business before the Honorable, the Supreme Court of the United States are admonished to give their attention.

Welcome to Divided Argument, an unscheduled,

Unpredictable Supreme Court podcast.

I'm Dan Epps.

And I'm Will Bowd.

So, Will, this is the last live show we're doing of season six, and I think our last one

on the docket for a little while.

And it is at perhaps the most August venue

we've ever done a live show. We are in Washington, D.C. at the American Law Institute annual

meeting. And for listeners on the show who are less familiar with the ALI, although you should be,

it's the organization that publishes the highly influential restatements, the

model penal code, and other projects like that. So we are excited to be here, and we're excited to have

a guest co-host, Professor Pam Carlin, who is the Kenneth and Harrell Montgomery, Professor

of Public Interest Law at Stanford Law School, and also, as particularly

relevant to us, the co-director of the school's Supreme Court litigation clinic.

And also as relevant to some of the things we're going to talk about, she's one of the

nation's leading experts on voting in the political process.

And here at the ALI, she is co-reporter on the forthcoming restatement on constitutional torts. So, Pam, thank you for joining us. Thanks so much for having me. I don't want to get Pam in trouble, but she taught me election law. Well, I just think, you know, almost everything I taught you, it's like Dead Poets Society. You read it. You should stand up and just rip it out of the book because it's not good law anymore.

And Will, you are now an election law professor, right? You're teaching that at Chicago? And this is, in fact, last time I taught it, we just ripped out the Shelby County Section 5 section. I was like, this is dead law. We're on a court system. You don't even need to know about it. There was one something called Section 5, the Voting Rights Act. Yeah, get rid of Section 2 while we're at it.

Yeah, well.

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