So Nina, we've seen the rise of the US left over the last few years and you've become one of the big emblematic symbols of that left.

Tell me about your path into politics, which I think is quite an interesting kind of example of the politicization that's taken place in the US.

No, politics kind of snapped me up. I never saw myself necessarily being engaged in politics, but it was, I don't know, it attracted me and just really started my activism, if you will, in college.

Like a lot of people probably do, especially if you go to college, not everybody does, but I didn't see it as activism as we view it today, but looking backwards.

You know, wanting to get people registered to vote in some of the poorest communities in Cleveland, Ohio, really got my attention, believing at that time that people could change their lives through voting.

In some ways, I still believe that, but if I had to talk to my 30-year-old self, a lot has changed and it's a little deeper than just getting people to register to vote.

There are forces that really try to oppress and so press, working class people and poor people in the United States of America, regardless of how they vote.

Bernie Sanders campaign really kind of catalyzed. It was so unlikely if we look back, he's been around for ages, set to generic, and you know, this kind of, you know, always doggedly fight for his causes, his Jewish senator from Vermont.

I mean, what happened? How do you explain what that campaign did and how he became this very unlikely symbol, often of people much younger than himself?

Yeah, I mean, we refer to him as the oldest millennial, because millennials love him very, very much, and so does Generation Z, but especially the millennials, you know, when he first ran, they were the ones that were really paying a lot of attention to him.

His message was right on time. Tom and his everything, and as you stated, he has been fighting for these same issues. When you think about a politician, especially who has been as consistent, there are very few politicians.

There are other types that have been consistent, but in the political world, Senator Bernie Sanders is almost a unicorn in terms of his consistency, and the heart that he has for the causes.

Certainly a man ahead of his time, and he was advocating for issues that now the world is, or at least the United States is really catching up with him, the people of the United States.

So it was really that people were coming off of the great recession of 2008, you know, all of that confluence, and so income, Senator Bernie Sanders in 2015, at a time where people thought no one was going to challenge, then Senator Clinton, or Secretary Clinton, no one thought that they, that she was going to be challenged and in walks, and Senator Bernard Sanders from Vermont, hailed from New York, originally.

But he did Brooklyn, to be exact what he did, and the time I was writing, he captured the imagination of people in the country.

Joe Biden's presidency, I mean, Joe Biden's from the centrist wing of the Democratic Party, but from a British perspective, on the left, I mean partly maybe because we're in quite a desperate situation.

People often look to that administration to go, well actually, the left have won some games, the left aren't treated as pariahs to be driven out of politics.

No, the left is treated like pariahs.

So that's what I wanted to hear about.

So smash my illusions.

No, it is. I mean, there are, illusion is a good word, so there are moments where the left and the more corporatist wing of the Democratic Party appear to be in sync.

And certainly the Biden administration has done some good things, you know, getting shots and arms, you know, being an administration that is really out there talking about how important it is for people to get the vaccine.

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