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There's what we call ultra process.

It's the bars you buy that look like health bars.

You turn it over, and it's got 35 ingredients.

How do you really describe that group of foods that we know are designed for high shelf life?

We know they're loaded with chemicals.

And how do we encourage people to eat more wholesome foods and natural foods and things with fiber and complex carbohydrates instead of simple

carbohydrates? So that's the task. That's the charge. And so we're going to do our best to try to

to. So that is Dr. Martin McCary.

He's running things over at HHS along with RFK and, you know, doing some great work as Dr.

Oz and they're a pretty formidable team.

They're trying to change things at the most foundational way.

With us right now is Nina Tysholtz.

She's investigative science journalist, New York Times bestselling author of the

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