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Toure Show

Nikole Hannah Jones—I Live In A Slaveocracy

Toure Show

DCP Entertainment

Society & Culture, Arts, Performing Arts

4.8880 Ratings

🗓️ 10 May 2020

⏱️ 79 minutes

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Summary

Nikole Hannah Jones just won the Pulitzer Prize for her amazing 1619 project for The NY Times. That project has made people smarter, made people cry and made some conservatives lose their minds. It seeks to explain how America is still impacted by the legacy of slavery. It is not past, we are, today, in a slaveocracy. The 1619 project is a podcast, an ongoing series of articles and essays that are being taught in schools, and will soon be a series of books. This builds on Nikole’s extraordinary work for the Times. She is a verified genius, the recipient of a MacArthur grant, and I could feel her genius as I spoke to her. She is a person who is toweringly influential in that her ideas have changed my thinking on many issues and, with the 1619 project, aims to shape the way many people see the relationship between America and slavery. We spoke to her on January 8th, 2020, and we re-run this now because it’s an honor to hear Nikole Hannah Jones @nhannahjones speak. I hope you get a lot out of this. If you do please let me know on Twitter @toure or on Instagram @toureshow. See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Support the show: https://www.dcpofficial.com/toureshow See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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And the When we decide to be a country founded on both slavery and freedom, we justify that by

0:20.1

dehumanizing black people and by saying that they're not like other human beings.

0:24.0

Therefore, when we brutalize them, when we rape them, when we kill them, we exploit their bodies for profit,

0:29.3

we don't really have to feel that bad about it because they don't love like us.

0:34.8

So when I sell this mother's child, she doesn't feel what I feel.

0:38.4

She feels like what a dog would feel with the puppy being gone.

0:41.2

She'll forget about her child the next day, which is literally what they would tell these women, right?

0:44.8

To create a system like that and then add emancipation, say, actually you're fully human just like the rest of us.

0:51.4

You cannot because the whole lie that upheld the system was that we weren't.

0:56.2

And so each generation passes on that knowledge that black people are deserving of our

1:01.5

fate, we are deserving of a reality because we are not fully human like them.

1:06.4

We don't even have to have anyone explicitly say it.

1:09.4

It is in the fiber of our country.

1:11.3

It is the lie that hides our hypocrisy.

1:14.8

Nicole Hannah Jones is a certified genius, a spiritual warrior, and a journalist who's trying

1:21.2

to change America.

1:23.0

She's the spirit behind the 1619 project

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at the New York Times, which was a takeover

1:28.3

of the New York Times magazine,

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as well as an incredible podcast series, as well as an upcoming series of books and

1:34.7

articles, all of which are meant to help us further understand the way that

1:38.8

slavery and its long lingering effects have shaped so many aspects of America so widely and so deeply

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