When we decide to be a country founded on both slavery and freedom, we justify that by dehumanizing black people. And by saying that they're not like other human beings. Therefore, when we brutalize them, when we rape them, when we kill them, we exploit their bodies for profit. We don't really have to feel that bad about it because they don't feel pain like us because they don't love like us. So when I sell this mother's child, she doesn't feel what I feel. She feels

like what a dog would feel with the puppy being gone. She'll forget about her child the next day,

which is literally what they would tell these women, right? To create a system like that,

and then at emancipation, say, actually, you're fully human just like the rest of us. You cannot.

Because the whole lie that upheld the system was that we weren't.

And so each generation passes on that knowledge that black people are deserving of our fate.

We are deserving of a reality because we are not fully human like them.

We don't even have to have anyone explicitly say it.

It is in the fiber of our country. It is the lie that

hides our hypocrisy. Nicole Hannah Jones is a certified genius, a spiritual warrior, and a journalist

who's trying to change America. She's the spirit behind the 1619 project at the New York Times,

which was a takeover of the New York Times Magazine, as well as an incredible podcast series, as well as an upcoming series of books and articles, all of which are meant to help us further understand the way that slavery and its long lingering effects have shaped so many aspects of America so widely and so deeply that she

calls America a slaveocracy. Nicole's also done extraordinary work exploring education and racism.

She's an intellectual badass who's got a MacArthur Genius Grant and a job at the New York Times

and a mind full of brilliant ideas.

I mean, I listen to her and she just blows me away.

She's awesome, and I'm so honored to have had her on the show.

It's the great Nicole Hannah-Jones on Toray Show.

When the 1619 printed project came out, there was this thrill among black people,

like walking around, like, caring and clinging to it, holding on to it and, like, it's, like, so important.

Did you feel that excitement when, like, people were finally getting their hands on it,

and, like, this is so great?

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